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05:40 pm: I hereby dub thee "Outcast"
I had the most amazing conversation with one of my teachers today.

Teacher: <shows me a scrap of paper with preps...jocks...outcasts written on it> The students told me these were categories at American high schools...

Me: <nods>

Teacher: ...that students test into. I've heard of the first one, but what are the other two?

Me: <blink, blink> There aren't any tests.

Teacher: There aren't?

Me: No. Jocks are people who play sports.

Teacher: And it's an abbreviation for...?

Me: No, it's just a nickname for it. Outcasts are...people who have no friends.

Teacher: Oh, I see. And the teacher decides this?

Me: <stares> ...Um, no. It's just...people who don't have friends... <stares some more> ...Generally the students decide.

My brain shut down at the notion that the teacher might, through some form of testing, sort students into cliques. I just didn't know what to say.



This is the embroidery test I did yesterday, somewhat enlarged. (The embroidery was done at 60% of the size of the original pattern.) The main flaw is that there weren't enough stitches to cover the hearts completely. It was also hard to clip the trailing threads of the black because they kept crisscrossing all over each other.

And to the right is today's Bunny Love sketch. (I need people to give me ideas or I'll keep pounding away at the same theme...)


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From:amilyn
Date:May 16th, 2005 03:17 am (UTC)
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I can't stop giggling.

< inaccurate and rather bigotted/satirical(?) rudeness>

What exactly would one PUT on the Jock test? "Can you write your name?" "If no, list (or tell) all sports for which you know all the rules." "In spite of the answer to number one, do you plan to attend university on a ___ball scholarship?"

< /rudeness>

Culture clash is always entertaining but...*snicker*
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From:wednesday_10_00
Date:May 16th, 2005 04:14 am (UTC)
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The bunny is so cute!!

I need people to give me ideas or I'll keep pounding away at the same theme...
It occurs to me that some of our old button designs might be fun as patches...

Re: jock test: After I post my trip report, we can have a vote to see which of us had the more mind-boggling conversation. I'm still reeling from mine.
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From:spacealien_vamp
Date:May 16th, 2005 05:12 am (UTC)
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It occurs to me that some of our old button designs might be fun as patches...

Oooh... <goes to check possibilities>

  • Anyone know where I can hide a roomful of guys smooching?
  • Got ヒマ?
  • Yaoi Missionary
  • Demons are people too! (Ack! Chibi Ishuca would be so CUTE!)
  • I played/survived the Move of God

    Most of the others are complicated enough that they would take a lot of work to look decent. But some (like Heiji/Conan or some of the single characters) are simply drawn.

    But that reminds me that a lot of the humor buttons originally came from quote lists. I should check the chatlist quotelist for possible phrases...that might give me ideas.
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    From:sara_tanaquil
    Date:May 16th, 2005 06:03 am (UTC)
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    I want Demons are People Too!!

    (I loved that icon... I mourned when it went away.)
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    From:wednesday_10_00
    Date:May 16th, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC)
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    Sacrifices have to be made when you only have room for 15 icons and rarely post about Koori. But since I have lots of room for icons now, it could come back. (I forgot all about it, actually.)

    spacealien_vamp, do you still have the button designs on your website somewhere? (I think I've asked you this before. But I've forgotten the answer already.)
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    From:spacealien_vamp
    Date:May 16th, 2005 08:59 pm (UTC)
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    do you still have the button designs on your website somewhere?

    I do, though they're the low-resolution versions. Let me know if you want a high-res one.
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    From:firesign10
    Date:May 17th, 2005 03:26 am (UTC)
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    First, I loved all the humor buttons - the "been there, drooled over that" always cracks me up and I also like the executive fangirl and "got yaoi?" - but I have to completely SQUEE about the Alek "I'm too sexy" button *head spins* *faints* Alek is LOVE!!!!
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    From:wednesday_10_00
    Date:May 17th, 2005 04:28 am (UTC)
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    "got yaoi?"
    Actually, the "got...?" one says "got hima?" ("Hima" being Japanese for "free time.") I've completely and totally forgotten where that joke came from, though.
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    From:firesign10
    Date:May 17th, 2005 04:36 am (UTC)
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    Ah! I saw "got yaoi?" somewhere and so assumed that's what that button said. Thanks! :-)
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    From:spacealien_vamp
    Date:May 17th, 2005 04:53 am (UTC)
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    I've completely and totally forgotten where that joke came from, though.

    We were waiting in a long line at some anime convention (Anime Central, most likely) that had trailed all the way outside the hotel.

    ...Found the quote list. It was ACen '02.
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    From:wednesday_10_00
    Date:May 17th, 2005 05:19 am (UTC)
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    I remembered just after I posted that, actually. You know, all this time I've been blaming my failing English on being in Japan when it was really just my own confused brain...
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    From:wednesday_10_00
    Date:May 17th, 2005 04:24 am (UTC)
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    Actually, I just wanted you to post a link so everyone could see them. It was just a bit of (maybe not so) subtle pimpage.

    I forgot all about the NO SMOOCHING one. I think I'm going to have to go through the quote list and look for stuff now, too.
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    From:wednesday_10_00
    Date:May 17th, 2005 06:22 am (UTC)

    ooh!

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    I should not be wasting my time by reading through the quote list for the eight millionth time, but here are my button/patch nominations:

    "Warning!
    Prone to affectionately licking people at random"

    "The four five elements: Water, Fire, Earth, Wind, Book" (Actually, that could be a really nifty animated icon. Too bad I don't like animated icons.)

    "Proud SCA member"

    "Mass of Skinshipy Camaraderie" or else "Big Group Slash" (Finding a picture for this one could be fun...)

    "Nishiwaki/Umeboshi OTP!" (Okay, maybe not. But imagine the picture!!)

    I didn't look at 2003, though. And no doubt quote_list would yield more, but I should be getting to bed.

    Also, I ran into this: But slashing the bookshelf with the kotatsu is too depressing, since I'm thinking about getting rid of the kotatsu. Oh no, why is my furniture angsty??
    And now my kotatsu IS a bookshelf. DESTINY.

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    From:sara_tanaquil
    Date:May 17th, 2005 12:09 pm (UTC)

    Re: ooh!

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    Oh no, why is my furniture angsty??

    How are the gay algae doing, BTW? Still in need of marriage civil union counseling?
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    From:wednesday_10_00
    Date:May 17th, 2005 05:07 pm (UTC)

    Re: ooh!

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    Nope, they're doing great. I just changed their water a few days ago, so they're all sparkly and happy. One of them is getting kind of fuzzy. I'm...not really sure what that means. (Is he trying to guarantee his semehood by way of the Height Rule?)

    (Coincidentally, I was just thinking that marimo would make probably be easy to embroider...)
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    From:sara_tanaquil
    Date:May 17th, 2005 12:06 pm (UTC)
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    LOL at "Go ahead... Hurt/comfort me"!!

    What were all those made for? Just for fun, or did you actually make buttons out of them? Just awesome.
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    From:spacealien_vamp
    Date:May 17th, 2005 01:01 pm (UTC)
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    LOL at "Go ahead... Hurt/comfort me"!!

    Both of the Alek buttons are courtesy of Jenn.

    Just for fun, or did you actually make buttons out of them?

    Yes, we did make actual buttons. In fact, the button-making supplies are still in the closet of my bedroom at my parents' house, so we could commence button-making again after we leave Japan. (I actually owe buttons to a few people... ^_^;)
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    From:firesign10
    Date:May 16th, 2005 04:45 am (UTC)
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    Wonder what they would think of further designations, like Goth or stoner or geek LOL....that would be an interesting quiz...*goes to Quizilla to see if there is a "What high school clique are you?" quiz*
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    From:nitasee
    Date:May 16th, 2005 07:18 am (UTC)
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    I thought the only clique you tested into was "nerds". *snicker*
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    From:wiliqueen
    Date:May 16th, 2005 08:34 am (UTC)
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    Hmmmm... Students do test into many college prep programs or schools. If she had encountered this concept, then ran across the same word in a list of "categories," it's not that huge a logic leap.

    But still a pretty entertaining mental image...
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    From:tv_elf
    Date:May 16th, 2005 09:15 am (UTC)
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    So, it would've been bad to say the Status Faerie comes to you when you turn 12 and pronounces your social status, right?

    Yes, it's Monday and my mind is avoiding work.
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    From:spacealien_vamp
    Date:May 16th, 2005 01:43 pm (UTC)
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    So, it would've been bad to say the Status Faerie comes to you when you turn 12 and pronounces your social status, right?

    Ah, would that my mind could come up with such things during a real conversation.
    From:mangaroo
    Date:May 16th, 2005 01:16 pm (UTC)
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    My question is: do similar stereotypes not exist in Japanese schools? Or is it all masked and subdivided further by which club you join?
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    From:spacealien_vamp
    Date:May 16th, 2005 01:50 pm (UTC)
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    My question is: do similar stereotypes not exist in Japanese schools?

    From what I've seen, there may be circles of friends, but there are no stereotypes about them. I think the most exaggerated it gets is "the girls who bleach their hair and wear makeup."

    In manga/anime I have seen the Yankee girls (girl gangs) and "honor student" types (in the world where the Student Council is all-powerful), but I've never run into that distinct separation in real life.

    However, I have noted that one of the main concerns of the students about the move to being a private college-prep school next year is that the incoming students will all be smarter than they are and will make fun of them. So maybe there are fewer cliques because the entire school is one big clique, compared with other schools.
    From:mangaroo
    Date:May 16th, 2005 02:54 pm (UTC)
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    So maybe there are fewer cliques because the entire school is one big clique, compared with other schools. -- That is very insightful. Thanks!
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    From:evil_overlord
    Date:May 17th, 2005 12:01 am (UTC)
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    First of all, the bunny looks *fabulous*, I didn't even notice the missing stitches in the heart until I read your mention of 'em. *G* So cute!

    I shudder at how I probably would have been designated were it assigned by a teacher, or test. Though maybe I'd have been better off, since I was definatly in the 'outcast' section of things [small farming community, 19 in my graduating class, and I read. A LOT.]
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    From:wrenwyn
    Date:May 18th, 2005 07:11 pm (UTC)
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    Your bunny came out beautiful! Great job! My mom would be so jealous. hehe

    Do they not have cliques in Japan? I would have thought that schools would be the same in that way, no matter where you are. What's the biggest difference between US schools and those in Japan?

    spacealien_vampMay I friend you?

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    From:spacealien_vamp
    Date:May 18th, 2005 09:19 pm (UTC)
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    Your bunny came out beautiful! Great job!

    Thank you!

    My mom would be so jealous.

    I wonder if I'll ever make enough that it would be worth having a CD just of embroidery files I could send to people...not that any of my friends have an embroidery machine anyway, but you never know.

    Do they not have cliques in Japan? I would have thought that schools would be the same in that way, no matter where you are.

    Maybe they do...but either not at the schools I've worked at, or I'm simply too dense to catch on.

    What's the biggest difference between US schools and those in Japan?

    There are a couple biggies.

    1. The students all wear uniforms...and at most schools it's forbidden to dye hair, wear jewelry, change the uniform, and so on. So it's nearly impossible for a clique to show solidarity through some kind of clothing style or accessory.

    2. The students are assigned to homerooms of about 30-40 students, and they take all the same classes with those same students. So when you're with the same group of 30-40 all day long every day, you kinda have to get along. (The homeroom teacher is supposed to make sure the students are all being at least civil to each other and, hopefully, all become friends.) Most students form strong bonds with their homeroom classmates.

    May I friend you?

    Sure, go ahead.
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    From:megory
    Date:May 19th, 2005 09:12 am (UTC)

    Harder than you'd think...

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    Today in one class we had a short discussion about cliques, including "jocks," "preps," and "outcasts." As we tried to define them, we could see that there were different perspectives. For example, some students thought that "those who wear 'Abercrombie & Fitch' name brand clothing are "preps." It seemed to have a lot to do with how you dress. Most thought that. A few agreed that it could be used for those preparing for college. As far as "outcasts" go, that is self-chosen. You have to choose to separate yourself from others, or at least that was the prevailing thought at first. Some believed that it included all those who come into the room and put their head down for the whole class. Others thought that it's not that they don't have friends. They do have friends. Their friends are others who consider themselves "outcast." After a while it seemed to contradict itself. "Jocks" wear varsity jackets and play in lots of sports. They thought the word could have come from "jockeys" or "jock straps," but then they laughed at those ideas. Then they went on to name at least a dozen other labels for kids at school.
    They decided it would be very difficult trying to explain this to someone from another culture. It's something they can intuit right away, but the definitions are very fuzzy.
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